Grammont: face S et arête NO (voie normale) - raquettes

Un argument pour les raquettes c'est, comme tu dis, le fait de ne pas savoir skier hors-piste ou skier tout court, ce qui est partiellement mon cas. J'adore la montée en peau de phoque mais je crois bien que je vais prendre les raquettes pour certaines descentes ;-))

Je comprends, je comprends ;-)
J'y suis allé hier, à peau de phoque justement. Montée assez longue car ça plantait pas mal au dessus de 1800m environ. Mais quelle belle descente!
Et même en traînant exprès et faisant des pauses pour profiter plus à fond, et le passage de la combe du Pêcheux où j'ai dû marcher un bout, 30min pour Grammont-Taney (presque 760m de dénivelé), puis 10min pour Taney-Miex (presque 400m).

Hello,

nice photos and route, I was there also in winter and it is really nice, but is this really the right categorie? T2/T3 is for me ok but I think this it is not an alpin route.
Best regards

Thanks.
The Grammont is just T2 - it requires a bit more care than flat terrain, period.
T3 means the hands might be needed for balance, and when coming back from Grammong via the Pte de la Chaumény as I did once, it really is T3.

I'm not sure what you mean by "alpine route". The "T" are hiking grades, not alpine tour grades. And the Grammont certainly is no alpine route ;-)
- They start at T1 for flat terrain with no difficulties or risk of fall.
- T2 means non-flat but easy terrain with marked path, possible risk of fall but nothing serious
- T3 means the hands might occasionally be needed for balance, the terrain might include tougher bits, and there can be exposed parts generally but not always with the help of a chain
- T4 means the hands will occasionally be needed to progress, the path might be missing for long sections, the terrain might become quite steep and of difficult nature. And there can be exposed passages without help from any chain.
- T5 and T6 become very difficult to pass and the Club Alpin Suisse rates them as comparable to alpinism grade PD

For the ski touring now, it's actually closer to "F" than the "PD" I've put. I've put PD because the bit in the southern slopes below col des Crosses can see large plaques of snow come down so one must have the ability to read the terrain and risk; and because the bit on the ridge can feel airy to some, and there are a couple passages where a fall could actually end up badly.

Hope this clarifies and thanks again for the kind comments!

Hi,

ok, I agrre but there is a special ski dificulty degree and you seem to have tooken the alpine (haute route) dificulty. The levels have the same names (F,PD...) but the colour is different. That is why your description is saved under Alpinism and not under ski touring (at least in my Internet Explore version). This is what I wanted to say, not that the dificulties are wrong.

Best regards and a nice sunday!

Thanks. OK I understand what you meant now.

On this report I was in snowshoes so I guess it's the "WT3" that matters ;-)

On ski touring the Grammont is PD or so.

I agree with you it's not "haute montagne" so have taken this out now. This being said the CAS insist and repeat regularly that we shouldn't too artificially separate "haute montagne" and "montagne" because too many people who, say, pass F or PD in alpine tend to think that therefore they can easily do T5 or T6 - but T5 or T6 are actually more difficult, among other things because it's rare that one can secure oneself on such routes.

Bottom-line, the Grammont is a benign summit with a mere not quite 1200m height difference. And let's enjoy higher or lower mountains just the same ;-)

yes, I know what you mean. There are alot of discussions also on Hikr about the separation of alpinism and trekking....I also did some T6 in Fribourg (ex. one "edge trekk" from Lorenzo: http://www.hikr.org/tour/post7940.html) and they were more difficult and dangerous (but beatifull :-)) than all 4000-s I did untill now. I agree with you that we should enjoy the mountains no matter which height or difficulty except those with a teleferic :-). Just a joke, they are also good for older people and children...
Bye